Fitting into tight spaces
December 14th, 2009 by ShaunaDo you pull in from the front end or back it up?
I fear parallel parking! Especially small stalls and when there are cars coming quickly behind you. Oh no! What do I do? I usually pull forward into the stall with my back end half sticking out on the street. Then when all the cars pass, I maneuver in and out about 20 times till I finally manage to get close enough to the curb.
Surely there must be an easier and less stressful way! Well, some math professor came up with a solution but numbers are not my strong suit. And not a formula that looks like this!
Scientific formula for perfect parking
news:lite
Boffins have created a complex equation which they claim shows the best way of getting a car into a parallel parking space, if you are good at sums.
Maths professor Simon Blackburn came up with the formula after hearing that 57 percent of drivers lack confidence in their parking ability.
He claims being able to park is about understanding the angles and dimensions involved and with that anyone could park their car into a street space. By using his formula he says drivers will know exactly when to turn the steering wheel to fit into the space perfectly.
Obviously there is one mistake in his logic. Their math ability is the one thing most people worry about more than their parking skills.
If you want to have a go at using the formula form the University of London's Royal Holloway College and Vauxhall Motors, here you go.
r = radius of the car's curb to curb turning distance
l = length of the car's wheel base
k = distance from from wheel to front of car
w = width of the car parked next to your car
If you know what you are doing this will give you the minimum extra length the parking space needs to be bigger than your car. So you will still need a tape measure.
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So who can figure out the answer to the formula? I don't even know what x is or what we are trying to figure out! Wouldn't the size of your car make the turning radius different?
Is parallel parking easy or difficult for you? Are you able to parallel on either the left or right side of the street?
Anyone have those parking-assist systems installed? I have backup sensors that I totally depend on when reversing. With all this technology in our cars today, it makes you wonder what driving was like decades ago!
And who remembers if they had to parallel park when they took their road test? Thank goodness for me they didn't have me do it. Embarrassingly enough, I couldn't even pull into a regular stall straight! But the main thing was I passed the test on my first try!
Now who needs a ride to the next event?
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O&E ODD image of the day: More car help! How's this GPS system?
Tags: driving, formula, math, parallel parking
December 14th, 2009 at 7:37 am
December 14th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Good morning hive!
I'll ask my son if he can figure that out, he's taking pre cal.
I have a large truck and it's hard to find a parallel parking that's big enough. Even parking in stalls are hard. Most stalls are made for compact cars..
December 14th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Several years ago when I was around 19 I used to drive a 25' flatbed for a local Nursery delivering plants. I used to have to parallel park that truck in the tightest spots in downtown LA. I got so good at it I never worried about parking that truck anywhere.
Parallel parking a car is never a problem after learning how to park that truck.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Morning M!
December 14th, 2009 at 7:51 am
I drove my mom's nice new SUV lately for a week and it had the video screen that shows the rear of the car when you reverse. It was so nice, but when I got back into my old SUV I realized how heavily I relied on only the screen, and not my eyesight. Here in CA, there's a lot of new construction of malls and shopping centers, and they have built parking spaces to accomodate modern sized vehicles, thank God! No more Ward Warehouse sized parking spaces!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Good Morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Hahahahahahaha........."portagee GPS".
And any "portagees" out dere don't get offended BEEcause I have portagee in me.
OL...............laughing at oneself is a good trait
December 14th, 2009 at 8:20 am
M: Yes, please have your son figure out that formula!!! Really curious what the answer is!
jaydee: I don't know how the heck anyone can parallel a flatbed! But I agree that after parking that, you can park anything!
Scott: I saw one of those fancy screens in a Lexus and it looked more confusing to me. It has a video-game feel to it that I found it hard to gauge the distance!
Ocean Lover: How's our silly old man doing this fine Monday morning?
December 14th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Hey Shauna,
I would say its relatively easy for me to parallel park on either side though I am not as used to doing it on the left side.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:28 am
the formula is all constants, so you can figure it out for your own car ahead of time. it's a strict arithmetic problem once you get the required measurements from your ride.
i had to parallel park on my driving test. on a hill, too! was on the side of punchbowl, I think , but I forget the street it was on. first time pass, of course =)
December 14th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Shauna:
You need to plug in the info from your car...readily available if you Google it or measure it yourself. The only unknown is the width of the car next to you. This is easier than trying to figure out my golf score
December 14th, 2009 at 8:38 am
@ Queenie......not too good. Its a vacation day for me and I'm a bit "under the weather".
I think its a cold or something.
OL............not real "chipper" this morning
December 14th, 2009 at 8:46 am
good morning HIVE! how's everyone's parallel parking this morning?
i used to BEE good at parallel parking but i hadn't done it for so long that i'm not very good at it anymore... well, unless the stall is BEEg! BEEger is better, right???? Hee hee...
OL - hope you're not catching a cold... i'm fighting one off, too!
i was overdosing on homeopathic remedies this past weekend!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:51 am
I grew up in the City of Chicago in a time when 98% of the parking was parallel. You just get a feel for it when that's all you know and you could fit in spaces that looked smaller than your car. Oh, and cars had big steel bumpers then also!
Alan from Makiki
December 14th, 2009 at 8:55 am
I don't back in...simply amazed that peeps in HI back into a stall. Someone could "steal" your space in the time it takes to prepare to back in. What...they don't know how to backup
My brother has the rear view camera and the backup sensor on his SUV...works nice, but I still take a look backward just to be sure I don't hit something back there. I can parallel park from either side but I prefer to do it on the passenger side. The drivers test here only does the 3-point turn, no parallel parking....not too many places to parallel park. And besides they give you plenty of space in the front/back so you can drive in like Shauna
December 14th, 2009 at 9:14 am
parallel parking? you mean sandwich park?
a formula? pshaw!
PUT ON TURN SIGNAL.......pull up even with the front car.....reverse and turn in as quick as possible. angle in around 45 degrees.....then crank it the other way to straighten out as soon as your front can clear the back end of the front car.
and not much room is needed if done properly.
go....go practice.....go
simple......unless an idiot pulls up right BEEhind you.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:21 am
oh yeah......g'morning BEEps!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Teaching my son how to parrallel park. He's having a hard time. Practice, practice, practice....
December 14th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Good Morning All!
I prefer to parallel park on the passenger side. It is easier. I did not have to do it for my drivers license test, but had to do it for drivers ed.
The people that back into stalls sometimes don't realize the traffic they are causing. At the UH games in Manoa the traffic in the beginning is often caused by someone trying to back into a stall. It would not be as bad if they could do it in one try! Back and forth, back and forth.... come on already!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:18 am
gmorning! I had to parallel park for my driving test! Took driver's ed, we practiced with cones! hahah.. uhmmm good thing! Like Kage, I rather parallel park on the driver's side, easier for me too. If the space seems too small though? EH neva mind, find a bigger stall! bhahaha.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:42 am
I hate parallel parking but my truck has a lift on it so at least my rims won't rub! I back in, because that's how my dad taught me to do it back in the day and according to the Hawaii state driver's manual, is the correct way, BTW...just habit I suppose. Agree that it does suck on a busy roadway while others are flying past or are impatient...
Sorry I missed such a fun looking Christmas party, Shauna, you should've told me you needed some prizes
December 14th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Good morning and happy Monday!!
I hate parallel parking. I try to avoid it if I can but if I had to then it becomes quite an adventure. I would rather park far far away and walk instead of parallel park.
I drove in a rented SUV that had the back up sensors and it was a neat feature to have and use. I just have the back up camera on my car.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Good morning.
I'm okay with parallel parking. It doesn't bother me. Even if the curb is on the driver's side when parking on the left side, I find it more comfortable on the right side of the street. I guess because it's more common to park on that side of the street.
I rarely go in nose first...too much work to straighten out.
I had to parallel park on my road test, like Matt #9, it was on a hill too. But when you're 15, judgment and coordination are not problems.
I think there's a Lexus that parallel parks itself.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Well, my sty eye came to a head
The doc poked TWO of them with a needle 
No local or nothing....just POKE....to drain the pus out.... Worse than getting a local shot at the dentist...
anklebiters.......really NKSEE now.....
December 14th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Just as a reward, I'm grilling up a steak for dinner
December 14th, 2009 at 11:29 am
just hit the parallel parking daily double at lunch. had to run out to the downtown area nearby and I found a space. was ready to park when I looked up and saw that the space at the end or the row was being vacated, so I grabbed that one. when I went to put money in the meter, I saw a note that said that the City of South San Francisco was giving everyone two hours free parking for the christmas season!!.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Good morning.
looks like I missed another good party.
Opso I'm guessing you won the ping pong match.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
matt and anklebiters: Constant formula or not, still looks undoable!
Ocean Lover: Hope you feel better soon! At least you get to rest at home!
snow: Yes, BEEger is better!!
Makiki: Oh gosh, good thing I don't live there! Lots of times I pass stalls cause I don't think I can easily fit in there. And this is even when I drove my Civic!!
December 14th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
opso: Hah, those instructions are too simple for that to possibly work!!
M: What kind of car is he practicing on?
Kage: I do back and forth, back and forth!
HNL2LAS: I guess from the passenger side is easier. I usually get closer to the curb on the first try!
December 14th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
issunboshi: What I much would have rather had was YOU showing up to the party!
Parking must suck for you overall also since most parking garages don't have a high height limit! I gotta see you parallel in your big truck though. Wanna know how many times it takes for you to pull in! 
Eli: Yeah if given the choice, I'd rather park further away also if there are regular stalls! Was the backup camera standard on your model??
visitor: I remember hearing about that self-parking Lexus! Wonder how much that costs!!
December 14th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
anklebiters: You got POKED??? Sounds painful!! Make sure you can see that you grill up the steak well done enough to get all that blood out!! Slurp slurp!!
matt: Wow, now that's a great way to spread some Christmas cheer! What are the parking rates in your part of town?
che: You're starting to sound like a broken record!
December 14th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Shauna:
Yep POKED and not the FB kind either
issunboshi would have a terrible time parking at the Ward Center parking structure....he might get STUCK
I barely made it with a Infinity SUV.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
MLC trick for parallel parking: When you pull up aside the car in front of the empty stall, stop when your steering wheel is just behind the steering wheel of the parked car. Then crank your wheel all the way and back in.
Of course you'll have to crack your wheel the other way before you back tire hits the curb and when you clear the bumper of the car in front of you.
Remember when cars came with curb feelers?
Sorry, wrong blog.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Eh opso method works. Go try, go, go try. It works I tell you.
Hilo get plenty "sandwich parking". How come they call it Parallel? Parallel is when you stay park next to one car right? Parallel to the next car.
Anyway, I learned how to "sandwich park" with my uncle's 3/4 ton truck WITHOUT POWER STEERING. I used to do it "one crack"
As for parking, I tend to backup my truck into a stall. Easier to get out. I signal and then do the blocking maneuver so the car behind me no can steal da stall. If I was driving my wife's small car, then no matter.
As for company vehicle, they recommend we back into a stall to prevent backing accidents. Lots of blind spots on our vans and big trucks.
Ynaku.........backing up. boot boot boot toot boot boot boot boot (give em da gas)
December 14th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Eh Rod, these young whippersnappers dunno what dat spring feelers look like
December 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
eh, I know what those are. At one point in time, the family car was a Dodge Dart that had those things on it. As a kid, I used to think it was like whiskers on a cat.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Shauna: It wasn't standard, I had to get the navigation in order to get the back up camera.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Car + street parking while at UH = expert at parallel parking. The best is having your friends borrow your car the next day and they wonder how the heck you got your car wedged in the spot
December 14th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
@Ynaku and DIO - yeah. I remember sitting down on the ground next to my dad's Ford Fairlane and "boinging" those curb feelers. I can't remember what we used to call them.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
When I used to drive an SUV, I learned another secret to fitting into a stall when going head first:
When you swing into the stall, you have to put your bumper corner of the point that's swinging - as close at possible to the car in the next stall (without hitting it. Duh). Then after you've swung in and straighten out your wheels, you should be right in the center of the stall.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Shauna,
I think it's usually seventy five cents an hour for those meters. up in SF, it's two an hour or so.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Mooooosic time.....Top 10 Alternative songs for 2009 (From AOL Radio)
10) Paramore - Ignorance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxCOY4MFg0g
December 14th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
@Rodney- my uncle had a car with those curb feelers on them. my brother and i called it the "Channel cat" because it reminded us of the channel catfish that we used to pull out of the river when we were younger.
Here's a tip for all of you parallel parkers who aren't good at it: If you cannot get straight after 5-10 attempts, it is time to vacate and look for another parking space. You really will feel better and so will the rest of us...
While in SD I once waited for an old lady who was blocking my lane of traffic for literally 10 minutes while she tried to navigate an parallel parking stall. I even got out and offered to park it for her, but she told me to shove it!
December 14th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
9) Muse - Uprising
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog
December 14th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7imqO-OBVk
December 14th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
whoa...I'm a math major and that formula scares me. It reminds me of a formula we used to calculate the amount of explosives we needed to cut through certain steel beams on a military training range:
"Sir, what are you doing?" asked the training sgt.
"Calculating the amount of charge we need," I replied.
Noticing the shaking of his head and muttering under his breath, I asked:
"Sgt, how do you calculate the charge?"
"One formula, sir. You won't find it in your manual. P = PLENTY"
December 14th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
7) 30 Seconds to Mars - Kings and Queens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VhZDiG7ye0
December 14th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
6) Flyleaf - Again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbdCeWoEH1U
December 14th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
5) Chevelle - Jars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsyg_KDAhoI
December 14th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
4) Three Days Grace - Break
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOujvLLpWnE
December 14th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
3) Linkin Park - New Divide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysSxxIqKNN0
December 14th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
2) Breaking Benjamin - I Will Not Bow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFHN0gcMUf0
December 14th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
1) Three Days Grace - The Good Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yMtslWhcGY
December 14th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
"I usually pull forward into the stall with my back end half sticking out on the street" - Goya
Well, that should certainly slow down the traffic so you can maneuver to park. Be someone has a twitpic of that.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Tomorrow will bee the Top 10 Indie songs...followed by Rock and then Metal
December 14th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
@Shauna, my son is practicing with a Honda CRV.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
This is Shauna parallel parking in a hurry...she's late...
http://www.funnyhub.com/videos/pages/fast-parallel-parking.html
December 14th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Ynaku: This whippersnapper definitely doesn't know what those spring feelers look like! I like how you got the sound of those backup beeps of those big trucks!
honda si boy: So can you pull out as easy as you pull in??
issunboshi: I can't BEElieve you offered to park the lady's car!!! MayBEE she thought you were going to steal it!! Too funny!
Wade: You mean it's possible to calculate the amount of explosives? What's the measuring amount of explosives?
anklebiters: AWESOME music theme today!
And that video is way cool! That is an awesome skill to have in Chinatown when the one available stall left is on the other side of the street! Can I practice BEEtween your Corvette and a traffic cone?? 
December 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Pulling out is hard. The 9 month old baby boy tugging at my leg is proof
December 14th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Motorcycle, people. Makes it much, much easier. Except that reverse requires you to push the bike.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Scott: Hahahahaha!! Then I guess we'll BEE seeing baBEE #2 next!! The Hive still doesn't have a new baBEE to get excited about!
EMM386: Oh yeah, never thought about the reverse part!! You ride one?
December 14th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Good Evening Hive!
What that equation for? To figure out if you going fit into the stall?
If you cannot eyeball it to figure it out, go park someplace else. 
I rarely have to parallel park - but I CAN do it.
When I took my license, we had to park BEEtween these 2 large tractor tires. I learned with this huge station wagon, so if I could park that boat, a compact car would BEE duck soup. 
December 14th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
All this driving talk reminds me that my license expires on Saturday. It's bad enough that I'm turning 30 on the 19th, but now gotta "experience" the DMV
December 14th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Scott: #58 I totally laffed out loud at that one!
wait, wait, is this another BI thing? Sandwich park??? Man, you BI BEEps so funny kine... hee hee...
December 14th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Parallel parking fairly easy for me. Only parked left side twice. Did OK. My driving test was probably only ten minutes and did not include parallel parking.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Glee fans of da hive: You should watch "Sing Off" with Nick Lachey, ohhh the a cappella is crazy!!
December 14th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
my friend learned on a suburban but drove a crx. she could get that sucker into a doorway if she had to.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
scott - #58 - ha ha ha!! the musketeers loved that one!
does that mean "practice makes perfect?" (don't answer that! 
)
December 14th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Hello Hive!
I like to back into stalls, it makes getting out easier. Parallel parking? Can you say anxiety attack? Okay, only if i absolutely MUST!
The best parallel parking is the kind where two stalls in a row are open so you can go straight in. (cheating)
Otherwise I was taught to line up side by side with the car in front. Reverse, and when the middle of your car is at the end of that car... start turning. Keep reversing and swing your car into place. Somewhere in all that, it helps to pray that you're doing it right and nobody is watching.
Hey, it works for me.
I'm sure Rod can think of the "Man Speak" version of this but I bet Paula can understand it.
*I miss feelers on the car*
December 14th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
HNL2LAS: I laughed at Scott's #58 also!
And what is this? A honda si boy sighting!
December 14th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Well, as for #2....let's just say the V6 hasn't entered the Autobahn much since baby Evan arrived
Is that too much info?
And I hear turning 30 doesn't do wonders either.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Scott: be glad it isn't a 4-cylinder....
December 14th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
DiO,
maybe it's a boat motor...two stroke
December 14th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Good evening hive!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
LMAO!
@M, do my tenants have any Christmas lights up at the house?
December 14th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
QB: You got to learn how to back that thang up!!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
@Scott, they don't have any exterior lights but I see lights inside.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Scott: boy, you really ARE a young whippersnapper! My 30th was traumatic. My 40th was much better - I went to Japan. (M and Masako can testify that going to Japan makes anything better!)
Maybe you'll get the news that you got that new job with Ms. Chamonga as a b-day gift?
December 14th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
@KAN, they offered the job to me today! Going tomorrow to negotiate salary, and all that stuff. It's beeen tough without a job for 2.5 months, but today was a good day
As for Mrs. Chamonga....I'm actually replacing her, as she's moving on to a district manager position, but she'll bee training me for the next 5 months....
I'll try to stay at eye level
December 14th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Scott: You mean you'll try to stay above "C" level?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
December 14th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
QB: You got to learn not to leave your back end hanging out. Otherwise someone will come along one day and hit that thing.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
NL2LAS: I caught the last half hour of the show! Another episode is on tomorrow!
David In Oregon: Rear-end bump!!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
YM-QB: Oooh, is that a new one, "Rear-end bump" ?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Crap,
I would rather parallel park 50 times blindfolded than do that formula. I take it that prof:
A) only theorizes driving,
B) his mom is his chauffer, or
C) both above
See you tomorrow
December 14th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Signs you have said or done something deemed acceptable by the QB
Head tilt, Fist Bump, Rear-end bump.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:48 am
scott - congrats on the job offer! hope you're able get what you're asking for (in terms of salary and whatnot... not anything else!
)!
December 15th, 2009 at 3:02 am
The answer to the equation is:
YES .... car will fit.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:47 am
It's 7am and its stii dark outside!!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 5:30 am
Scott: Good Morning and Congratulations! Didn't I say you'd Ace 'um?
anklez: What time does the sun come up?
Good Morning everyone! I thought it was Sunday when I woke up. I guess not.
December 15th, 2009 at 5:35 am
Good Morning QB & Hive,
I vividly remember learning to parallel park in an old 1971 Ford LTD, which by the way was a boat on wheels. Nothing like a callow youth of sixteen cruising the streets of San Francisco with Dad sitting shotgun lecturing me on the skills of driving. Suddenly, in the middle of the Financial District he tells me to parallel park on Montgomery Street. Yikes! Panic, sweat and jitters abound as I make numerous attempts to maneuver the boat in this tiny spot. Dad was very amused to watch his cocky young son crumble beneath the pressure of blaring horns and expletives. Talk about getting thrown into the fire. Now when I have to park my SUV it doesn’t phase me at all; especially in L.A. where they leave extra room between spaces for the uninitiated.
BTW – I have also had the thrill of parallel parking while backing uphill with a stick shift. Those San Francisco hills do wonders on a clutch.
December 15th, 2009 at 5:43 am
morning hive. the clouds are back, but not the rain (yet). gray and cold this morning.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:09 am
Good morning anklebiters, sally, King Katonk, matt and da hive!
December 15th, 2009 at 6:12 am
King Katonk:
Driving a manual up any hill is an adventure in itself, especially if you have to stop anywhere up the hill or parallel park like you mentioned
Sally:
Sunrise was at 07:24 this morning.....sunset will be 17:22 .
December 15th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Guuuud morning ankles, Sally, KK, matt and M! Wow M, you're up really early today! Or maybe I'm just late.
Congrats Scott! Woohoo! You're back in the realm of the working wounded (j/k). Note I didn't say "working stiffs," iykwim.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:22 am
@Scott #78
...today was a good day.
Wasn't that an Ice Cube song?
Congrats on the job offer. So you'll be producing gansta rap in Chico?
December 15th, 2009 at 6:32 am
KK-I don't think that'd go too well up in Chico!
Maybe Rock-a-Billy!
December 15th, 2009 at 6:38 am
Scott:
You're Chico and the man.
For those who aren't MLC, that was a TV show in the early '70s featuring Freddie Prinze Jr's dad, Freddie Prinze.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:49 am
We have xmas carolers in the building singing
They do this every year, dressed up in Santa and elves outfits. But they don't leave presents.....WWD!
December 15th, 2009 at 6:54 am
Okay gangie, even tho' my brain is still foggy and my eyes want to go back to sleep, I'm off to work. Hope you all find angled parking today!
December 15th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Good morning!
Alan Okami: I think I would rather just learn parallel also than figure out that formula! See you later!
King Katonk: So you were a cocky young boy?
And backing up on a hill with standard seems nearly impossible!!!
Scott: Sorry, I forgot to say congrats! Hope they give you a good salary!!
December 15th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Shauna…Unfortunately, I have evolved into a servile old MLCer. Any remnant of cockiness is construed as stubbornness.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Good Morning QB and Hive!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 8:21 am
sneaky eh you?!